[AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

[Gino Villarini]

So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes…

Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption????

My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

[John Woodfield]

Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes…
>
> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption????
>
> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aero

[Matt]

Why the they did not make an ePMP unit that fits in the same dish and
nose piece as the FSK units it really beyond me.



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the
> Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes…
>
> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol
> patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this
> contraption????
>
> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>

[Richard Pedersen]

Think about dual polarity

-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:02 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

Why the they did not make an ePMP unit that fits in the same dish and nose piece as the FSK units it really beyond me.



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the
> Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes…
>
> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
> pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
> with this contraption????
>
> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>

[Adam Moffett]

Nope.

You could use the beehive SL dish with a holder for the ePMP. That at
least would fit on the same 1-5/8" mount.

Gino...what takes up all the time in that swap? Seems like you'd just
remove the old dish, slap on the force100 dish, smoke a cigarette, and
go home.


> Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes…
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[John Woodfield]

Maybe I'm a little dense here. My 100 dishes just use a hose clamp to hold the radio. I'm failing to see why you couldn't use an integrated epmp sm.



John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell [phone]


-----Original Message-----
From: "Adam Moffett" <***@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:08pm
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



Nope.

You could use the beehive SL dish with a holder for the ePMP. That at
least would fit on the same 1-5/8" mount.

Gino...what takes up all the time in that swap? Seems like you'd just
remove the old dish, slap on the force100 dish, smoke a cigarette, and
go home.


> Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp
 primarily using the Force110
 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes

>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[Gino Villarini]

Removing the old dish, assembly and install of the force110 plus aligment



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:08 PM, "Adam Moffett" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>Nope.
>
>You could use the beehive SL dish with a holder for the ePMP. That at
>least would fit on the same 1-5/8" mount.
>
>Gino...what takes up all the time in that swap? Seems like you'd just
>remove the old dish, slap on the force100 dish, smoke a cigarette, and
>go home.
>
>
>> Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>>
>>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>>with this contraption????
>>>
>>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>

[Bill Prince]

I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers
depending on location. Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW
dishes, and even some KP dishes.

It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with
a different attachment method on ePMP.

Not expecting to re-use the stingers. How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpￜ primarily using the
> Force110ￜ but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesￜ
>
> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
> pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
> with this contraption????
>
> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>

[Mathew Howard]

You might be able to attach it, but I'm guessing it wouldn't work very
well... I think Chuck had to design a completely new reflector to get
decent performance with the ePMP.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:50 PM, John Woodfield <***@jwcn.biz>
wrote:

> Maybe I'm a little dense here. My 100 dishes just use a hose clamp to hold
> the radio. I'm failing to see why you couldn't use an integrated epmp sm.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410)
> 708-1937
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Adam Moffett" <***@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:08pm
> To: ***@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> Nope.
>
> You could use the beehive SL dish with a holder for the ePMP. That at
> least would fit on the same 1-5/8" mount.
>
> Gino...what takes up all the time in that swap? Seems like you'd just
> remove the old dish, slap on the force100 dish, smoke a cigarette, and
> go home.
>
>
> > Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp
 primarily using the
> Force110
 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes

> >>
> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
> pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with
> this contraption????
> >>
> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
>
>

[Gino Villarini]

The point is that when you have different dishes… the common denominator is the SM form factor!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Ken Hohhof <***@kwisp.com<mailto:***@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just buy new holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at least the vertical.


From: Bill Prince<mailto:***@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers depending on location.ï¿1Ž2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW dishes, and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ž2

It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a different attachment method on ePMP.

Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ž2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ž2 primarily using the Force110ï¿1Ž2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ž2

Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption????

My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
@aeronetpr

[Gino Villarini]

They can come up with a optimal patch for most reflectors
 similar to the 450 patch



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Ken Hohhof <***@kwisp.com<mailto:***@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:38 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

If I remember the photos someone (maybe you?) posted of the inside of an ePMP, wasn’t it a multi element patch? That’s probably not going to be optimal for illuminating a reflector dish anyway. So probably the Force models get better performance.

Cambium does have a product with the same SM form factor as FSK, it even has tone alignment (except in 13.3 FW), just a little more expensive than ePMP.


From: Gino Villarini<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:31 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

The point is that when you have different dishes
 the common denominator is the SM form factor!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Ken Hohhof <***@kwisp.com<mailto:***@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just buy new holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at least the vertical.


From: Bill Prince<mailto:***@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers depending on location.ï¿1Ŝ2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW dishes, and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ŝ2

It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a different attachment method on ePMP.

Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ŝ2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ŝ2 primarily using the Force110ï¿1Ŝ2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ŝ2

Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption????

My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> ï¿1Ŝ2ï¿1Ŝ2
@aeronetpr

[Gino Villarini]

I think it would help them sell tons of epmps!, also maybe a nano bridge feed horn replacement
. With built in poe reverser
 !



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Ken Hohhof <***@kwisp.com<mailto:***@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:38 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

If I remember the photos someone (maybe you?) posted of the inside of an ePMP, wasn’t it a multi element patch? That’s probably not going to be optimal for illuminating a reflector dish anyway. So probably the Force models get better performance.

Cambium does have a product with the same SM form factor as FSK, it even has tone alignment (except in 13.3 FW), just a little more expensive than ePMP.


From: Gino Villarini<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:31 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

The point is that when you have different dishes
 the common denominator is the SM form factor!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Ken Hohhof <***@kwisp.com<mailto:***@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just buy new holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at least the vertical.


From: Bill Prince<mailto:***@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers depending on location.ï¿1Ŝ2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW dishes, and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ŝ2

It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a different attachment method on ePMP.

Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ŝ2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ŝ2 primarily using the Force110ï¿1Ŝ2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ŝ2

Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption????

My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> ï¿1Ŝ2ï¿1Ŝ2
@aeronetpr

[Gino Villarini]

no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[Mathew Howard]

I would love to be able to buy a connectorized Nanobridge feedhorn
replacement... if only someone would build one.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> I think it would help them sell tons of epmps!, also maybe a nano
> bridge feed horn replacement
. With built in poe reverser
 !
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
> From: Ken Hohhof <***@kwisp.com>
> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:38 PM
> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> If I remember the photos someone (maybe you?) posted of the inside of
> an ePMP, wasn’t it a multi element patch? That’s probably not going to be
> optimal for illuminating a reflector dish anyway. So probably the Force
> models get better performance.
>
> Cambium does have a product with the same SM form factor as FSK, it even
> has tone alignment (except in 13.3 FW), just a little more expensive than
> ePMP.
>
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:31 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> The point is that when you have different dishes
 the common
> denominator is the SM form factor!
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
> From: Ken Hohhof <***@kwisp.com>
> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just
> buy new holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at
> least the vertical.
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince <***@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers
> depending on location.ï¿1Ŝ2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW
> dishes, and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ŝ2
>
> It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a
> different attachment method on ePMP.
>
> Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ŝ2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ŝ2 primarily using the
> Force110ï¿1Ŝ2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ŝ2
>
> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol
> patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this
> contraption????
>
> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ŝ2ï¿1Ŝ2
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>

[Josh Luthman]

Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force
110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> no
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>
> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
> >>
> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
> >>with this contraption????
> >>
> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
>
>

[Gino Villarini]

Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[TJ Trout]

Why don't u play with a integrated epmp sm and see what the gain would be
like using something temporary or custom made then it if works have someone
like chuck mold some out for you? Then maybe u can sell some to recoup your
costs. ?
On Jan 21, 2015 3:01 PM, "Josh Luthman" <***@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force
> 110 is better gain though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
>> no
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>>
>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>> >>
>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>> >>with this contraption????
>> >>
>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> President
>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>> >> @aeronetpr
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

[Josh Luthman]

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
> special adapters for it to work.
>
> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the
> force 110 is better gain though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
>> no
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>>
>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>> >>
>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>> >>with this contraption????
>> >>
>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> President
>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>> >> @aeronetpr
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

[Gino Villarini]

Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[Josh Luthman]

So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
>> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
>> special adapters for it to work.
>>
>> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the
>> force 110 is better gain though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> no
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>>> >
>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>> >>
>>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>> >>with this contraption????
>>> >>
>>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>>> >> President
>>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> >> @aeronetpr
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>

[Gino Villarini]

Not really. More like a bracket that fits in a SM placeholder, that takes a conn. Epmp and adds a patch to properly illuminate any dish.



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:19 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[Mathew Howard]

I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's
significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they
purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
> That would make way too much sense, though...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
>>> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
>>> special adapters for it to work.
>>>
>>> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>
>>> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the
>>> force 110 is better gain though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> President
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>>>> >
>>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>>> >>with this contraption????
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> >> President
>>>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>> >> @aeronetpr
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

[Jason McKemie]

It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it
off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's
> significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they
> purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
>> That would make way too much sense, though...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
>>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>
>>> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
>>>> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
>>>> special adapters for it to work.
>>>>
>>>> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> President
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>>>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>>
>>>> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the
>>>> force 110 is better gain though.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> no
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>> President
>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>>>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a
>>>>> dual
>>>>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>>>> >>with this contraption????
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>> >> President
>>>>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>>> >> @aeronetpr
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Josh Reynolds]

That's a rumor I have heard as well.

On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just
>purchased it
>off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>
>On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
>it's
>> significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or
>they
>> purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy
>accessories...
>> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450
>instead.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman
><***@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and
>450?
>>> That would make way too much sense, though...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> President
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
>>>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that
>combo
>>>>> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you
>need
>>>>> special adapters for it to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>> President
>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>>>>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe
>the
>>>>> force 110 is better gain though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com>
>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>>> President
>>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz>
>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini
><***@aeronetpr.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily
>using the
>>>>>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with
>a
>>>>>> dual
>>>>>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a
>Canopy SM
>>>>>> >>with this contraption????
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>>> >> President
>>>>>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>>>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>>>> >> @aeronetpr
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

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[Gino Villarini]

Not a New epmp, Just a bracket with the antenna

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Jan 21, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Ken Hohhof <***@kwisp.com<mailto:***@kwisp.com>> wrote:

He is saying he wants yet another version of ePMP with a different internal patch antenna that would have a wider beam and lower gain when used by itself, but would efficiently illuminate a reflector. Of which he has 2 different shapes, wide (27RD, KPP) and tall (WB).

If you remember the Trango multipoint days, think FOX and FOX-D. Then they stopped selling 2 models with the ATLAS-FOX and you had to use a Trango Stinger because the antenna gain of a bare SU was something pitiful like 6 dBi.

Some people claimed a Ubiquiti Loco was better with a dish than a Nanostation, but it still wasn’t optimal, I think it was a 4 patch array so it still didn’t use the whole surface of the dish.


From: Josh Luthman<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:19 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[Sriram Chaturvedi]

You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
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[Tyler Treat]

I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially.

___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________


On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:

You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





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[Sriram Chaturvedi]

Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it.


I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion.


________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Tyler Treat <***@cornbelttech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially.

___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________


On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:

You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Sriram Chaturvedi]

Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty quickly.


Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as possible.


________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett <***@ics-il.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest.



-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

________________________________
From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com>
To: ***@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it.


I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion.


________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Tyler Treat <***@cornbelttech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially.

___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________


On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:

You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Jason McKemie]

If there is no truth to that, why wouldn't you design it to work with the
same accessories as your other radios?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> That's a rumor I have heard as well.
>
> On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <
> ***@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased
> it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
> it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or
> they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
> That would make way too much sense, though...
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
> special adapters for it to work.
>
>
>
> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force
> 110 is better gain though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> no
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>
> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
> >>
> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
> >>with this contraption????
> >>
> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>

[Gino Villarini]

When you what to change over 3k units…. Efficiency is king



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Mike Hammett <***@ics-il.net<mailto:***@ics-il.net>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 10:34 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

Opportunity to do things differently, AKA get rid of the reflectors. ;-)



-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

________________________________
From: "Jason McKemie" <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:20:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

If there is no truth to that, why wouldn't you design it to work with the same accessories as your other radios?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:
You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Jason McKemie]

It's also a strange "coincidence" that CTI's ptmp offering that could
supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on
the scene...

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> That's a rumor I have heard as well.
>
> On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <
> ***@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased
> it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
> it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or
> they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
> That would make way too much sense, though...
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
> special adapters for it to work.
>
>
>
> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force
> 110 is better gain though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> no
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>
> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
> >>
> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
> >>with this contraption????
> >>
> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>

[Josh Luthman]

Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, "Mike Hammett" <***@ics-il.net> wrote:

> That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided.
>
> CTI was definitely MemoryLink.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <***@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *To: ****@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> It's also a strange "coincidence" that CTI's ptmp offering that could
> supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on
> the scene...
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
> ***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
>> *To:* ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>>
>>
>> That's a rumor I have heard as well.
>>
>> On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <
>> ***@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just
>> purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
>> it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or
>> they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
>> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> ***@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and
>> 450? That would make way too much sense, though...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
>> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
>> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
>> special adapters for it to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the
>> force 110 is better gain though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>> no
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>>
>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>> >>
>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>> >>with this contraption????
>> >>
>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> President
>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>> >> @aeronetpr
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
>
>

[Jason McKemie]

This, and a subsequent NDA is about the only other thing that makes any
sense. Kind of.

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, "Mike Hammett" <***@ics-il.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
>
>> That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided.
>>
>> CTI was definitely MemoryLink.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <***@veloxinetbroadband.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@veloxinetbroadband.com');>>
>> *To: ****@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>> It's also a strange "coincidence" that CTI's ptmp offering that could
>> supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on
>> the scene...
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
>> ***@cambiumnetworks.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@cambiumnetworks.com');>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-***@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>>> Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
>>> *To:* ***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>;
>>> Jason McKemie
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a rumor I have heard as well.
>>>
>>> On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <
>>> ***@veloxinetbroadband.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@veloxinetbroadband.com');>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just
>>> purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
>>> it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or
>>> they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
>>> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> ***@imaginenetworksllc.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@imaginenetworksllc.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and
>>> 450? That would make way too much sense, though...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@aeronetpr.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@imaginenetworksllc.com');>>
>>> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>"
>>> <***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
>>> *To: *"***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>" <
>>> ***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@aeronetpr.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
>>> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
>>> special adapters for it to work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@imaginenetworksllc.com');>>
>>> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>"
>>> <***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>>> *To: *"***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>" <
>>> ***@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@afmug.com');>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the
>>> force 110 is better gain though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@aeronetpr.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> no
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@jwcn.biz');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>>> >
>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','***@aeronetpr.com');>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>> >>
>>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>> >>with this contraption????
>>> >>
>>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>>> >> President
>>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> >> @aeronetpr
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>
>>
>>

[Josh Luthman]

I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories
supporting the rumor.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a
> while. I must've missed it.
>
>
> I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope
> that clears up any confusion.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Tyler Treat <
> ***@cornbelttech.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least
> initially.
>
> ___________________________
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___________________________
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> ***@cornbelttech.com
> ___________________________
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
> ***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>
> You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com <af-***@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> That's a rumor I have heard as well.
>
> On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <
> ***@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased
> it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
> it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or
> they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
> That would make way too much sense, though...
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
> special adapters for it to work.
>
>
>
> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force
> 110 is better gain though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> no
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>
> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
> >>
> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
> >>with this contraption????
> >>
> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>

[Tyler Treat]

Yep that fueled most of my assumption.

___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________


On Jan 21, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

It's also a strange "coincidence" that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene...

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:
You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





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[Sriram Chaturvedi]

​Ha ha. Wow. I gotta share this rumor with the ePMP team. I bet they'll get a laugh out of it.


________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Tyler Treat <***@cornbelttech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:24 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

Yep that fueled most of my assumption.

___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________


On Jan 21, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

It's also a strange "coincidence" that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene...

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:
You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





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[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Remember the CTI product that never found it's way?



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Franklin, IN 46131

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From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:12 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least
initially.

___________________________

Mangled by my iPhone.

___________________________



Tyler Treat

Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.



***@cornbelttech.com <mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>

___________________________




On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
<***@cambiumnetworks.com
<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com> > wrote:

You can put that rumor to rest because it's not true.



From: Af [ <mailto:af-***@afmug.com> mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: <mailto:***@afmug.com> ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



That's a rumor I have heard as well.

On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie
<***@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:

It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it
off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com
<mailto:***@gmail.com> > wrote:

I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's
significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they
purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
That would make way too much sense, though...






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

<http://www.aeronetpr.com> www.aeronetpr.com

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman < <mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Reply-To: " <mailto:***@afmug.com> ***@afmug.com" < <mailto:***@afmug.com>
***@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: " <mailto:***@afmug.com> ***@afmug.com" < <mailto:***@afmug.com>
***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?






Josh Luthman
Office: <tel:[phone]> 937-552-2340
Direct: <tel:[phone]> 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini < <mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>
***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

Josh, you are missing the whole point. I know this, but that combo dosnt
yield good gain. maybe 15-16db total gain at best. also you need special
adapters for it to work.



We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

<http://www.aeronetpr.com> www.aeronetpr.com

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman < <mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Reply-To: " <mailto:***@afmug.com> ***@afmug.com" < <mailto:***@afmug.com>
***@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: " <mailto:***@afmug.com> ***@afmug.com" < <mailto:***@afmug.com>
***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force
110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: <tel:[phone]> 937-552-2340
Direct: <tel:[phone]> 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" < <mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>
***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
<http://www.aeronetpr.com> www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" < <mailto:***@jwcn.biz>
***@jwcn.biz> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini < <mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>
***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp© primarily using the
>>Force110© but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes©
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>










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Gino,



I know you have a mixed bag, what are you doing more of ... ePMP or 450?



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Internet Communications Inc.
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Franklin, IN 46131

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From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:24 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



Not really. More like a bracket that fits in a SM placeholder, that takes
a conn. Epmp and adds a patch to properly illuminate any dish.







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com
<mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:19 PM
To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com
<mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
That would make way too much sense, though...






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com
<mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com
<mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Josh, you are missing the whole point. I know this, but that combo dosnt
yield good gain. maybe 15-16db total gain at best. also you need special
adapters for it to work.



We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com
<mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com
<mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force
110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz
<mailto:***@jwcn.biz> > wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp© primarily using the
>>Force110© but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes©
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[Josh Reynolds]

Same here, including talks with vendors who had dealings with them.

*shrug*

On January 21, 2015 3:24:11 PM AKST, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories
>supporting the rumor.
>
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
>***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a
>> while. I must've missed it.
>>
>>
>> I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium.
>Hope
>> that clears up any confusion.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Tyler Treat <
>> ***@cornbelttech.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
>> *To:* ***@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>> I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At
>least
>> initially.
>>
>> ___________________________
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___________________________
>>
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> ***@cornbelttech.com
>> ___________________________
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
>> ***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com <af-***@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
>> *To:* ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>>
>>
>> That's a rumor I have heard as well.
>>
>> On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <
>> ***@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just
>purchased
>> it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
>> it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form
>factor, or
>> they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy
>accessories...
>> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450
>instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman
><***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and
>450?
>> That would make way too much sense, though...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
>> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
>> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you
>need
>> special adapters for it to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the
>force
>> 110 is better gain though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>> no
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz>
>wrote:
>>
>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com>
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using
>the
>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>> >>
>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a
>dual
>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy
>SM
>> >>with this contraption????
>> >>
>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> President
>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>> >> @aeronetpr
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>>

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[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Send us all the design papers. One of us will help you redesign it.



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Internet Communications Inc.
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Franklin, IN 46131

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From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



​Ha ha. Wow. I gotta share this rumor with the ePMP team. I bet they'll get a laugh out of it.



_____

From: Af <af-***@afmug.com <mailto:af-***@afmug.com> > on behalf of Tyler Treat <***@cornbelttech.com <mailto:***@cornbelttech.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:24 PM
To: ***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



Yep that fueled most of my assumption.

___________________________

Mangled by my iPhone.

___________________________



Tyler Treat

Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.



***@cornbelttech.com <mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>

___________________________




On Jan 21, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

It's also a strange "coincidence" that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene...



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com <mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com> > wrote:

You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.



From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com <mailto:af-***@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> ; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



That's a rumor I have heard as well.

On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com <mailto:***@gmail.com> > wrote:

I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com <mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com <mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.



We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> " <***@afmug.com <mailto:***@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?



Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com <mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz <mailto:***@jwcn.biz> > wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com <mailto:***@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>










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[Gino Villarini]

We are 450 in metro areas, epmp in suburbs ad low density.. Both gets business



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Ty Inc <***@franklinisp.net<mailto:***@franklinisp.net>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 8:59 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

Gino,

I know you have a mixed bag, what are you doing more of ….. ePMP or 450?

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

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From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:24 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

Not really. More like a bracket that fits in a SM placeholder, that takes a conn. Epmp and adds a patch to properly illuminate any dish.



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:19 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>

[Matt Mangriotis]

I do enjoy how Sri (a Cambium employee) tells you flat out that there’s nothing to this rumor, yet you persist
 I would be happy to talk to you guys at length about this, or anything else on your mind (over a beer of course) at the good ol’ fairpark!

See you in a couple weeks.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:04 PM
To: ***@afmug.com; Josh Luthman
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

Same here, including talks with vendors who had dealings with them.

*shrug*
On January 21, 2015 3:24:11 PM AKST, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories supporting the rumor.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:

Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it.



I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion.



________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>> on behalf of Tyler Treat <***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially.
___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________


On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:
You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





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[Josh Reynolds]

It may or may not be true either way, and I don't really think it matters. Companies, like governments and people, can always deny things -- and they often do.

On January 21, 2015 5:01:23 PM AKST, Matt Mangriotis <***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>I do enjoy how Sri (a Cambium employee) tells you flat out that there’s
>nothing to this rumor, yet you persist
 I would be happy to talk to you
>guys at length about this, or anything else on your mind (over a beer
>of course) at the good ol’ fairpark!
>
>See you in a couple weeks.
>
>Matt
>
>From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:04 PM
>To: ***@afmug.com; Josh Luthman
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>Same here, including talks with vendors who had dealings with them.
>
>*shrug*
>On January 21, 2015 3:24:11 PM AKST, Josh Luthman
><***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>wrote:
>I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories
>supporting the rumor.
>
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
><***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>>
>wrote:
>
>Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a
>while. I must've missed it.
>
>
>
>I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope
>that clears up any confusion.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Af <af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>> on behalf
>of Tyler Treat
><***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
>To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least
>initially.
>___________________________
>Mangled by my iPhone.
>___________________________
>
>Tyler Treat
>Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
>***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
>___________________________
>
>
>On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
><***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>>
>wrote:
>You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
>
>From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
>To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>That's a rumor I have heard as well.
>On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie
><***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
>wrote:
>It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just
>purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>
>On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard
><***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
>I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
>it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor,
>or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy
>accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks
>to 450 instead.
>
>On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman
><***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>wrote:
>So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
> That would make way too much sense, though...
>
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
>Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini
><***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>
>
>
>Gino A. Villarini
>President
>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>@aeronetpr
>
>
>
>From: Josh Luthman
><***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>"
><***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
>Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
>To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>"
><***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
>Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini
><***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
>dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
>special adapters for it to work.
>
>We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>
>
>
>Gino A. Villarini
>President
>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>@aeronetpr
>
>
>
>From: Josh Luthman
><***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>"
><***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
>Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>"
><***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the
>force 110 is better gain though.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
>Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini"
><***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>no
>
>
>
>Gino A. Villarini
>President
>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>@aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield"
><***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:
>
>>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini
><***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>>
>>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a
>dual
>>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>>with this contraption????
>>>
>>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>--
>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Gino Villarini]

Off topic but Charles Wu was able to retire on a mysterious lump sump cash that CTI received some years ago! :-)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Matt Mangriotis <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 10:01 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I do enjoy how Sri (a Cambium employee) tells you flat out that there’s nothing to this rumor, yet you persist… I would be happy to talk to you guys at length about this, or anything else on your mind (over a beer of course) at the good ol’ fairpark!

See you in a couple weeks.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:04 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Josh Luthman
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

Same here, including talks with vendors who had dealings with them.

*shrug*
On January 21, 2015 3:24:11 PM AKST, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories supporting the rumor.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:

Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it.



I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion.



________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>> on behalf of Tyler Treat <***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially.
___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________


On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:
You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the
>>Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
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--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[John Woodfield]

So how about fixing the bloated software? The old pmp100 software was great comparatively. Also, how about a EIRP fix so we can turn the power up in ptp applications or turn up if using a low gain antenna?



John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell [phone]


-----Original Message-----
From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:55pm
To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?













You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.



From: Af [[ mailto:af-***@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-***@afmug.com )] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: [ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com ); Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.

On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <[ ***@veloxinetbroadband.com ]( mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com )> wrote:

It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <[ ***@gmail.com ]( mailto:***@gmail.com )> wrote:

I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.





On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <[ ***@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com )> wrote:

So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...







Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:[phone] )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:[phone] )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <[ ***@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:***@aeronetpr.com )> wrote:




Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)








Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com )

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <[ ***@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com )>
Reply-To: "[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )" <[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )" <[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?





What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?







Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:[phone] )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:[phone] )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <[ ***@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:***@aeronetpr.com )> wrote:




Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.



We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit








Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com )

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <[ ***@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com )>
Reply-To: "[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )" <[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )" <[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?




Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.
Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:[phone] )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:[phone] )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <[ ***@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:***@aeronetpr.com )> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com )
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <[ ***@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:***@jwcn.biz )> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <[ ***@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:***@aeronetpr.com )> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com )
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Sriram Chaturvedi]

​Its great that you like the PMP100 platform.


If by bloated software, you mean Nate's GUI load time, we're actively investigating that with some information we got from Nate offline.


For PTP applications, you should be able to use max power. Please hit me up offline as well if you'd like to discuss specific scenarios.


Thanks,

Sriram

________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of John Woodfield <***@jwcn.biz>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:00 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


So how about fixing the bloated software? The old pmp100 software was great comparatively. Also, how about a EIRP fix so we can turn the power up in ptp applications or turn up if using a low gain antenna?







John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell [phone]


-----Original Message-----
From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:55pm
To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?




Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty quickly.



Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as possible.



________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett <***@ics-il.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest.



-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

________________________________
From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com>
To: ***@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it.



I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion.



________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Tyler Treat <***@cornbelttech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially.

___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________

On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:

You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Josh Luthman]

Sri,

Slow on my tablet and phone as well. I feel it should be faster on my PC
and laptop.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 10:07 PM, "Sriram Chaturvedi" <
***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> ​Its great that you like the PMP100 platform.
>
>
> If by bloated software, you mean Nate's GUI load time, we're actively
> investigating that with some information we got from Nate offline.
>
>
> For PTP applications, you should be able to use max power. Please hit me
> up offline as well if you'd like to discuss specific scenarios.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sriram
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of John Woodfield <
> ***@jwcn.biz>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:00 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
> So how about fixing the bloated software? The old pmp100 software was
> great comparatively. Also, how about a EIRP fix so we can turn the power up
> in ptp applications or turn up if using a low gain antenna?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410)
> 708-1937
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:55pm
> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty
> quickly.
>
>
>
> Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem
> to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and
> some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something
> where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make
> mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as
> possible.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett <
> ***@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three
> occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office
> in September that they put it to rest.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com>
> *To: ****@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list
> for a while. I must've missed it.
>
>
>
> I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that
> clears up any confusion.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Tyler Treat <
> ***@cornbelttech.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least
> initially.
>
> ___________________________
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___________________________
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
> ***@cornbelttech.com
> ___________________________
>
> On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
> ***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>
> You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com <af-***@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
> *To:* ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> That's a rumor I have heard as well.
>
> On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <
> ***@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased
> it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either
> it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or
> they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories...
> presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?
> That would make way too much sense, though...
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo
> dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need
> special adapters for it to work.
>
>
>
> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
> *To: *"***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
>
>
> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force
> 110 is better gain though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> no
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
>
> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
> >>
> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
> >>with this contraption????
> >>
> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>

[John Woodfield]

emailed you offline.

The software overall just seems slow all around compared to what the pmp100 is. I've not used any other lines. Have been using the pmp100 for sheesh, 10 years now.



John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell [phone]


-----Original Message-----
From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:07pm
To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

















You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.



From: Af [[ mailto:af-***@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-***@afmug.com )] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: [ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com ); Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.

On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <[ ***@veloxinetbroadband.com ]( mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com )> wrote:

It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <[ ***@gmail.com ]( mailto:***@gmail.com )> wrote:

I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.





On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <[ ***@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com )> wrote:

So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...







Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:[phone] )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:[phone] )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <[ ***@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:***@aeronetpr.com )> wrote:




Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)








Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com )

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <[ ***@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com )>
Reply-To: "[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )" <[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )" <[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?





What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?







Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:[phone] )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:[phone] )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <[ ***@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:***@aeronetpr.com )> wrote:




Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.



We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit








Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com )

@aeronetpr







From: Josh Luthman <[ ***@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com )>
Reply-To: "[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )" <[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )" <[ ***@afmug.com ]( mailto:***@afmug.com )>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?




Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.
Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:[phone] )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:[phone] )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <[ ***@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:***@aeronetpr.com )> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com )
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <[ ***@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:***@jwcn.biz )> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <[ ***@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:***@aeronetpr.com )> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com )
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Sriram Chaturvedi]

Thanks Josh. I'll send you a note offline to get a little bit more information so we can narrow down this issue.


Sriram


________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Sri,

Slow on my tablet and phone as well. I feel it should be faster on my PC and laptop.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 21, 2015 10:07 PM, "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:

​Its great that you like the PMP100 platform.


If by bloated software, you mean Nate's GUI load time, we're actively investigating that with some information we got from Nate offline.


For PTP applications, you should be able to use max power. Please hit me up offline as well if you'd like to discuss specific scenarios.


Thanks,

Sriram

________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>> on behalf of John Woodfield <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:00 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


So how about fixing the bloated software? The old pmp100 software was great comparatively. Also, how about a EIRP fix so we can turn the power up in ptp applications or turn up if using a low gain antenna?







John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell [phone]<tel:%28410%29%20708-1937>


-----Original Message-----
From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:55pm
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?




Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty quickly.



Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as possible.



________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>> on behalf of Mike Hammett <***@ics-il.net<mailto:***@ics-il.net>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest.



-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

________________________________
From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>>
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it.



I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion.



________________________________
From: Af <af-***@afmug.com<mailto:af-***@afmug.com>> on behalf of Tyler Treat <***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially.

___________________________
Mangled by my iPhone.
___________________________
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
***@cornbelttech.com<mailto:***@cornbelttech.com>
___________________________

On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:***@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:

You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.

From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
To: ***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>; Jason McKemie
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

That's a rumor I have heard as well.
On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:***@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.

We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:***@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
To: "***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>" <***@afmug.com<mailto:***@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?


Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:[phone]>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:[phone]>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
no



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr






On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz<mailto:***@jwcn.biz>> wrote:

>Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com<mailto:***@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>
>> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>with this contraption????
>>
>> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>





--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Don't forget those damn selfies you guys sent me! Crazy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Mike Hammett <***@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> He's doing triathlons now. Judging by his FB, he seems to do one every other day.
>
> A lot more family time.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> From: "Ken Hohhof" <***@kwisp.com>
> To: ***@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:08:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
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> We regularly see posts from executives at Convergence, including at the time ePMP was introduced, none of whom are Charles.
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> I think Charles returned to his home planet, and is now rooming with Elvis.
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> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:42 PM
> To: ***@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>
> Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor?
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> Josh Luthman
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>> On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, "Mike Hammett" <***@ics-il.net> wrote:
>> That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided.
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>> CTI was definitely MemoryLink.
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>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
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>> From: "Jason McKemie" <***@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> To: ***@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>
>> It's also a strange "coincidence" that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene...
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>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <***@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>>> You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
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>>> From: Af [mailto:af-***@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
>>> To: ***@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
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>>>
>>> That's a rumor I have heard as well.
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>>> On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie <***@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
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>>> It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
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>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
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>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
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>>> So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though...
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>>> Josh Luthman
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>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
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>>> Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
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>>> Gino A. Villarini
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>>> President
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>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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>>> www.aeronetpr.com
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>>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
>>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>
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>>>
>>> What do you mean put in "epmp like unit"?
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>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
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>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Josh, you are missing the whole point
 I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain
 maybe 15-16db total gain at best
 also you need special adapters for it to work.
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>>> We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
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>>> Gino A. Villarini
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>>> President
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>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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>>> www.aeronetpr.com
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>>> @aeronetpr
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>>> From: Josh Luthman <***@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> Reply-To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
>>> To: "***@afmug.com" <***@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though.
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>>> Josh Luthman
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>>> 1100 Wayne St
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>>> On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gino Villarini" <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
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>>> no
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>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
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>>> On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, "John Woodfield" <***@jwcn.biz> wrote:
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>>> >Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
>>> >
>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini <***@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpÅ  primarily using the
>>> >>Force110Å  but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesÅ 
>>> >>
>>> >> Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual
>>> >>pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM
>>> >>with this contraption????
>>> >>
>>> >> My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>>> >> President
>>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> >> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> >> @aeronetpr
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